joinings from phoenix, alan gottlieb, founder of the second amendment foundation, national rifle association, would not provide, would not provide a spokesperson this evening. so do you have any give at all? is there any area that you would compromise as far as new laws making it more difficult to obtain certain weapons? >> first, bill, let me say i thought your talk points were really excellent. >> thank you. >> if you take a look affidavit the data here, we banned assault rifles one time in 1994. if you look at the national institute of justice's study on that ban that was done in 1999, as well as the university study at the university of california berkeley, hardly a basstive pro-gun rights thought, it showed it had no impact at all on lowering homicide rates. in fact, it had no impact at all on lowering mass murders. in fact, it had no impact at all in the number of bullets that a victim was shot with. so the truth is we already know it doesn't work. but when we tried it last time, what happened?